Why payment representative emails are fake
Assuming that you actually get here to this part, here's some
reasons that the representative scams are fake, aside from the fact that
they are ALWAYS a scam.
What's the scam?
In this subforum you are going to run into the fake check fraud. In the
fake check scam you are asked to be a claims agent, paying etc or some
kind of representative for a company. The fake check scam is just that--
all you are ever going to get is a fake check or money order. You can
read elsewhere (like here) about why you don't want to have a fake check for any reason.
If you have read about how to identify a scam email (which is here)
then in addition to things like bad grammar, poor spelling, even poorer
punctuation, the use of free email servers, etc. these are some other
things that make a representative scam format completely bogus.
1. "We can't get a tax ID in the U.S"
This indicates that the scammer is stupid and clueless about tax law in
the U.S. Getting a tax ID in the US is about as easy as falling off a
log. There's a form you fill out and send to the IRS. It takes about a
week to do and it's free (or close to it). I even had one once for a
small business I owned. A major company can't get a tax ID in the US?
Just a scammer talking.
2. "The tax rate in our country (x) is 25% for companies but only 7% for individuals"
This may or may not be true for any particular country but it is not
true in this situation. The tax authorities in country (x) are
constantly on the alert for accounting tricks like this and would be all
over something this transparent as a "tax dodge". Company officials who
tried something like this would be subject to high fines ($$$) and
could possibly face prison time. Additionally, if you get one of these
from Latvia (how did a scammer even find it on a map?) remember that
Latvia is a member of the EU and the EU is making effort to harmonize
taxes across the whole EU so the story doesn't hold up.
3. "Our customers are always paying with money orders"
Umm, actually in the real world, no business would EVER pay for anything
with a money order. Services are available in banks precisely to
facilitate international commerce. This includes things like letters of
credit etc. No real company ever uses money orders to pay for anything.
It's just a scammer talking. The various instruments that banks have
developed to assist businesses are to make the transfer of funds quick
and fast. A company does not need you to do this for them. (The same
thing holds true for checks. Most companies would not pay by check
either for the same reasons as mentioned).
4. "We can't open a bank account in the U.S."
That would be because they haven't tried. Opening a bank account is
almost as easy as getting a tax ID. Yes, someone would have to go to the
US to do that but nowadays even that can probably be done by an
affiliate bank. This is such a ridiculous statement that it almost isn't
worth addressing.
5. "We don't have an office in the U.S."
So what? Almost as ridiculous as #4. So what if they don't have an
office in the US? They can still do business there. Even a small
business would considering opening a branch office in the US because
it's such a large market. And opening an office or hiring an agent is
easy to do and any real company would know that. Scammers don't know
that, or they hope you don't.
6. "We do not have an account in your country that will clear this money"
Well, I suppose if you lived in Antarctica that might be true, but other
than that, there are banks for this work. Even if they don't have an
account in your country they would have an agent to handle this kind of
work. Unless they are going to make you the agent then this is just
another ridiculous scammer statement.
7. "The cost of coming to the states and getting payments is very expensive and time consuming"
Yes it would be if you actually had to do it. Fortunately for all those
artists, textile companies, and other types of companies there's a
solution to this problem. It's called a bank. That's what banks do.
8. "Clients make payments for our supplies every week"
Oh well, then the company already has financial procedures in place so they don't need you.
9. "Send the Remaining Funds back via Western Union"
If you have read elsewhere (as indicated in this little exposition) then
you know that the use of Western Union or Moneygram always indicates
you are dealing with scammers. Real companies do not EVER use Western
Union or Moneygram for anything. They use banks. If you ever get an
email like this, drop it. Delete it. It's just a scammer.
10. "You don't have to worry about the IRS...."
Another cute piece of invention by an idiot scammer. Actually you do
have to worry about the IRS , the Inland Revenue Service or any other
taxing body authority in your country and/or state/province. Taxes are
one of the main sources of income for governments and they jealousy
guard the power to tax. You aren't going to be able to hide from them
just because you're doing business for some company that is sending you
checks. Even if this were a real job you would still have to pay the
taxes on what you make.
No, they have NOT checked it carefully with anyone to make sure that it
falls under relevant taxing provisions or authority of any government.
They are criminals. They aren't going to talk to anyone with authority
to arrest them.
11. "a lot of Credit is being owe our company"
If they were actually concerned about losing money during the transfer
of funds they could always buy some foreign currency hedges. If they
were a real company someone would know that, probably an accountant or
finance manager or two.
12. "....plus other incentives and benefits that accrue, which includes tax holidays..."
This is sent by a scammer/criminal who has absolutely no clue as to what
the term "tax holiday" means, although it sounds good to him since all
the money he steals is tax free. Delete the email.
13. We will pay you 10% for every check collected.
Think about that one. Why would they pay you 10% just to collect a check? If you collect it, why don't they pay you 1%? Is your time worth that
much to them? On a $10,000 check, that's $1,000 for you to get a check
in the mail and wait a few days until it clears the bank. What makes you
worth $1,000 for that? Why don't they pay you a monthly wage (which
would be a lot cheaper for them) or pay you a smaller percentage?
Simple, there is no job here. There is only a fake check.
14. "Unfortunately we are unable to open Bank Accounts in the united states without first registering the company."
Guess what? This is more stupid nonsense from a scammer who knows
nothing about international business except that he tries to steal money
from everyone, everywhere. Companies would "register" in the U.S., that
is, they will register trademarks, brand names etc, because companies
are very protective of those things. They would also register any
patents on any products they make. Real companies know that.
If you get this kind of garbage from a "company" you can rest assured
they are not a real company and you can also delete the email because
it's just another dumb scammer/criminal talking nonsense.
15. Anyway our employees never leave us because for us, our employees come first.
So why exactly do they need to hire you if no one ever quits?
16. We want to hire you as a certified payroll specialist.....
All right, great. Do you have have a background in payroll work? Are you
an accountant? Do you have any bookkeeping skills? If not, why exactly
would they hire you?
In addition, sometimes you get a "payroll specialist" offer from a
company in country A and you live in country B. Why in the world would
anyone hire you to be a payroll specialist when live in a completely
different country? Aren't there in bookkeepers in country A? Of course
there are so the whole idea is preposterous. What they probably want you
to do is buy some check printing software and mail out fake checks for
you. That makes you a party (an accessory) to felony fraud in most
jurisdictions. Kind of makes that great payroll specialist not look like
such a great job after all, especially if you end up in prison.
17. IS THIS LEGAL? YES, It is very legal (article
15.3) Employment Opportunity Act. My lawyer checked all legal provisions
concerning any domestic or international law against businesses or
deals of domestic monetary trade. Doing this business is 100% safe and
legal.
No it is not legal. Stealing money is not legal anywhere, except Wall
Street. The Employment Opportunity Act? Of what country? And no, the
lawyer did not check anything.
18. "We need your assistance because these
payments, which are usually in the form of cheques are not payable in
Chinese Banks because of the differing Banking Systems."
This point actually came up recently. In fact, the difference in banking
systems means absolutely nothing. 50 years ago, yeah, maybe, back when
stuff was all done by paper but it's all electronic now. This is the
21st century. China is the 2nd largest economy in the world. They are
high-tech, they are clued-in, they know how to do banking. They probably
invented it thousand of years ago. The above quote is from an idiot
scammer who knows nothing about much of anything and hopes that you
don't know any more than he does. But of course, you do. You know to
delete the email.
http://antifraudintl.org/showthread.php?3631-Why-representative-emails-are-fake
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